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The Nine Gates. Part Four.

With

Carl Johan Calleman

Jay:  So I love this idea of compressing time and one of my favorite subjects to talk about is movies. And in fact, I have a new article out right now called ``Secrets of the Shining,'' go to www.jayweidner.com, you can read it. It's about what Stanley Kubrick's The Shining, is really all about. So I'm getting a lot of hits. But one of my other movies that I write about ? I haven't put the article up, because I was going to make it part of a book, is Titanic by Cameron. What I'm interested... what made me interested in the movie Titanic, was the fact that it was the biggest selling movie of all time. And it made like, you know, three billion dollars; by the time it finally went out of release.

More than anybody's ever made, before or since, on a movie. So I wondered what it was, that was hitting the public. This was eleven years ago, 1998. And so I went to see it and I enjoyed it.

And I just thought about it and I realized why the movie was a big hit. And the reason that the movie is a big hit, was because we know what's going to happen in the movie, before we see it. We know that Titanic's going down. So the drama of the movie is not that it's ending, the drama of the movie is how does it end, and what happens.

And the story is about, you know, a ship on the sea and the wilderness of the ocean. And it's divided up into classes. And one of the people says, you know, not even God can sink the Titanic. And the Captain turns all the engines on, so that he can get to New York faster than any boat ever in history.

And his reaction times are shortened because of this. And in fact, this is the reason why they hit the iceberg and sink.

And what I'm saying is, is that, it's just like the Cliff High's computer work and there's a... there seems to be this collective unconscious that wanted to go see that movie and realize that it's really the story of the next 15 years of their lives.

As we who were on the Titanic, with our reaction times getting shortened by the moment, where any mistake can destroy the whole thing. Isn't that kind of what's going on?

Carl:  I think so.

Jay:  [laughs] Are you an optimist? Are you an optimist or a pessimist?

Carl:  I'm... well ? are you referring to something special, or...

Jay:  Well, do you think at the end of this... are we going to be better off at the end of this?

Carl:  Oh, absolutely. I think a lot of people will be much better off. But from another perspective of course, the values will be ? what I do believe is that this world that is coming out of this will be a world of peace; it will be a balanced world. I think it will be a world of safety, and I think it will be a world, basically on happiness. And so in that sense, I am an optimist. But if you ask me as my personality?wise, I think I'm... I'm more or less a little bit on the more, more pessimistic side, or I don't know really. But in terms of what the plan is, I think I can really see a plan for this thing.

But of course, that's not what everybody wants to ? in what they would consider a better life, but I think it is what some people would consider a better life, but not everyone. Certainly not.

Jay:  Well, who would be a ... Who are the people that would think it's a better life?

Carl:  That would think it's a better life...

Jay:  Yes.

Carl:  Oh, I think basically all spiritual people. All people that want to see the unity in everything. I think our perspectives are changing with these cosmic forces that I mentioned. And so we're going to a world where all the filters that we've had so far, from seeing things the way they really are, from seeing the unity of everything, those filters are being removed.

And that's suppose for good, and it maybe painful for some people, but I think, basically that will lead the humanity to seeing the beauty in everything, seeing the unity in everything, seeing the spirit in everything that we haven't really been doing in the past.

And so I think this is a better world, but it's not a better world for the... I would say the stock brokers, and a lot of people that have other ideals about what constitutes a good life.

Jay:  But I think we built a virtual world, and it wasn't real. And, you know, you watch the stock market collapses, and then, serious guys who of course failed to predict any of this, get on TV and tell you that the United States was 40 percent of its wealth. The United States doesn't have... you didn't have it, to begin with.

Carl:  [laughs]

Jay:  It's just hilarious. And people are killing themselves because they lost wealth that they never had, and it's just a game.

Carl:  Yeah.

Jay:  And that world is disappearing, and thanks be, that that's happening, because I was getting real tired of that one.

Carl:  Yeah.

Jay:  And so, I agree with you. I think we're... we are on the edge of something, and I think your work is just really, really, really incredible, because you actually take the chances of actually making predictions as we go. So we're going to have another big change coming, next June, right?

Carl:  No, July I was saying.

Jay:  July?

Carl:  Or the whole fall ? next fall I would say, starting in July.

Jay:  Yeah.

Carl:  Yeah.

Jay:  And then going all the way up through to November, right?

Carl:  Ah?

Jay:  Of 2010.

Carl:  Then I would say yes, that's right. Yeah. I mean, I don't think there will be any real pulsing for us until October 28, 2011. I think things will just be shifting and shifting... and so...

Jay:  Confusion.

Carl:  I don't think there will be any time period where we can say, ``Oh, I don't think much will happen in that time period.'' I think that...

Jay:  Everything will be happening.

Carl:  Yeah, I think so.

Jay:  [laughs] That's very diplomatic, by the way.

Carl:  Yeah.

Jay:  Yeah, I agree with you. I have a numerologist friend who does numerology for big corporations and people, and she told me that, you know, she hasn't had... there are no good readings until late 2011. In other words, yeah, very interesting. She had no good readings.

Carl:  Yeah? The whole thing?

Jay:  Everybody that she does, it's just not good. And she tells everybody to hide and that, you know, all of the sudden it gets better, she says, you know, around that time. So pretty interesting.

Carl:  OK, good. Yeah.

Jay:  Yeah.

Carl:  Makes sense to me.

Jay:  And so how did... so I really don't have much time here, maybe a minute or two ? tell me anything that you want to say, and also tell everyone how they could go to your website and get what your books are, and all that.

Carl:  Yeah.

Jay:  So this is quick shop[?]

Carl:  Oh, OK. Yes. And well, my website then is, calleman.com, and I have a series of articles there that I've been updating for the past couple of months. And I'm preparing now a new article on the coming 6th night. I also want to mention that I'm coming out with a new book, only two weeks from now, it will be released. It's called, ``The Purposeful Universe.'' How quantum theory and Mayan cosmology explain the origin and evolution of life.

And it's different in content to what we've been talking about here, because it deals with a new theory of biological evolution. And so it's not about the future, but it's ? at the same time, it's really like a presentation of a Universe, where quantum shifts emanating from a big cross, which is the tree of life in ancient mythology.

It's a quantum shift in polarities from... emanating from this, is bringing about all the kind of evolution that we're seeing. Jay and I here, we've been talking about the effects in the immediate future, and so forth.

But this book deals with the whole history of the Universe going back to the big bang, which really wasn't... it certainly was an explosion, but the primary event of the big bang was the birth of this huge three?dimensional cross that the ancient talks about as the tree of life.

And so, I'm very excited and very happy about this book, because it really brings together many, many different disciplines that have been previously looked upon as being separate.

I should also say that, we have a website called ``The Mayan Calendar Portal,'' which brings together a number of websites or people in different parts of the world, that adhere to this view that it's not just one line that is coming to an end here.

But that there are nine different cosmic forces that are now going to be manifesting and they're speeding up according to a certain pattern.

And people have different takes on it, of course, but we do have this common framework that we are discussing from.

 

The Nine Gates Part Three

With Carl Johan Calleman

 

Jay:  But anyway, getting back to this very fascinating idea of this kind of tapestry of time that you are talking about, I want to get to this ? that around November 8th of coming up here, is the 6th night, according to your calculations which I guess means... what? There are three more nights after this?

Carl:  No. It wouldn't mean that. There are nine levels that are going to come to a conclusion at the same time. And each of these levels are composed of seven days and six nights.

Jay:  Ah.

Carl:  ... but they are... they get increasingly shorter, meaning that, the shift will become more frequent on the 9th level that hasn't yet started. So we... at the same... we're coming to the last night on the eight sublevels ? the galactic underworld. But then, there's another underworld, another cosmic force, if you will, that hasn't yet been activated. And that will be activated in the years ahead. And it's the interaction of those that will determine this whole transformation of a new world. The way I look upon it, into a new world. Transformation into a new world.

So the 6th night is the last night of the galactic underworld, and the 9th underworld, the universal underworld, which cuts off the whole process, hasn't yet been activated. And that also includes nights and days and so forth.

Jay:  Each getting compressing and getting tighter and closing.

Carl:  Exactly, yes.

Jay:  And so when does this 9th...the 9th part of the progression, when does that start?

Carl:  Well, there are two ? it starts March 8, 2011, but there is also like a preceding cycle, you might say, which will start July 17, 18, 2010.

Jay:  What do you see happening there?

Carl:  I see ? that's a really very, what you say, revolutionary cycle, you might say.

Jay:  Really?

Carl:  If I make the parallels... there are two parallels that are very clear as I would say. One parallel, time?wise, is the period 1498 to 1617. In other words the renaissance that brought in the feudal society, and created the world of Capitalists and Protestants, and Science and so forth. The second one is the one that many of us remember. That's the time period, 1986 to 1992, which was the time when we saw all the downfall of all these non?democratic or the whole thing of Eastern Europe, and that transformation.

Jay:  The velvet revolutions.

Carl:  Right. All the revolutions that brought the fall of the Berlin wall, and the downfall of the Soviet empire. But this time it will be coming again, but it will be much more condensed. Because the shift will be happening on a higher frequency on this level. And so it will be condensed to only the fall, basically, of 2010.

Jay:  I get you, yeah.

Carl:  So... so...

Jay:  Very interesting. Are you familiar with my work on The Topology of Time? About how time corkscrews as it begins to tighten and it compresses into a vortex which begins almost folding in on itself. That's why I'm really interested in your work, because it almost sounds like you discovered this... yeah exactly ? through this the Mayans.

Carl:  Yeah, it's been...

Jay:  So everything is going to get going quicker and faster and our reaction times are going to be shortened.

Carl:  Yeah.

Jay:  So we're in a world of extreme danger too, right?

Carl:  I would say so. Danger ? one thing I think is that, our old way of, when we were young ? I guess you maybe my age or something like that ? we were... we could plan 10 years ahead, maybe. And it wasn't that... I mean it may not have turned out that way, but I think it wasn't that stupid too, to make a plan for 10 years. But we will not be able to do those kinds of things anymore. We can't approach reality just rationally trying to plan, and accumulate, and set a life?line if you're young ? of 20 or 40 years, or something like that ? we will have to rely on really being in the flow.

Really tuning in to the cosmic source. Really intuitively base our decisions, not on sort of rational logic, but just being in the present and going with the flow.

And that's the safest we can find I believe. That's the new... we will have to operate in that way. And if we are not able to do so, it will maybe... quite dangerous, yeah.

Jay:  Yeah. I think I actually... the analogy is sort of like surfing. A good surfer is not necessarily a good athlete, although it certainly helps. What makes a surfer really good is that they have this innate ability to be able to read the wave, and to go wherever the wave is going.

Carl:  Ah?

Jay:  And I think that's really the key to the future here, is we're going to have to just... I have a lot of people ? young people talk to me and they asked me what they should do in their life. I'm going to have to take a break here.

Carl:  Yeah.

Jay:  And I really don't know what to say to them anymore.

Carl:  [laughs]

Jay:  Learn how to grow food, I guess

 

The Nine Gates

Part One

With Carl Johan Calleman

 

Jay Weidner:  My name is Jay Weidner. I want to remind everyone that my new film, Infinity ? The Ultimate Trip, is out. And if you want to find out how to view it, you go to www.sacredmysteries.com, and click there. Also you can check out our two films on 2012 called 2012:The Odyssey and its sequel Timewave 2013 by going to www.sacredmysteries.com.

I co-wrote a book, actually two books, the second book was just an extension of the first. The focus was on this strange cross in the south of France. Hendaye,

And this 400-year-old cross is saying that there is going to be this huge transformation coming. And when we deciphered the cross, we realized that it was saying that a kind of a 20?year portal, from somewhere around 1992, to somewhere around 2012 would open and then there would be this transformation.

And all of my research was being done in the 90s, and I wasn't really paying attention to what other people were doing because my co?writer and I were so involved in this research.

After the research was finished I sat back to see if anything strange was going to happen. And the world has been nothing but strange ever since.

And one of the guys that I've been watching for a long time, who has an unusual take, is Carl Johan Calleman.

Carl Johan Calleman:  Thank you very much.

Jay:   Why you're in disagreement with the December twenty firsters?

Carl:   I think when I started to doing serious work on the Mayan Calendar about 20 years ago, and most people would emphasize just what they call the long count ? 5125?year cycle, or period that would end December 21, 2012. And, whereas I took another take basically, I would always be looking for verification, in terms of human history, or of cosmic events.

And so I noticed that ? well, I certainly was not the first person to notice that, the beginning of this 5125?year cycle, coincided with real quantum shift in human history, when the first higher civilization emerged in Sumer, in Egypt, and a couple of other places.

But I also noticed that, you know, there were other much longer and some also shorter time periods. And that would coincide with other significant quantum shift in the cosmic history, going back all the way to the big bang.

And as I could find these quantum shifts, and I knew that the pyramids would symbolize that there were something significant about nine levels of evolution. I mapped out a model, where nine levels would all come to an end at a particular date.

And it's only recently that it has surfaced ? this so?called Tortuguero Monument ? that now clearly states, basically, that this end date, is not just one cycle, is not just one line, time line that comes to an end at that particular date, but it's actually nine. In other words, nine cosmic forces are going to manifest at the particular time.

And so I very strongly feel that the, you might say, the discovery a few years ago about this single inscription from ancient times that describes the end date of the Calendar. That this talks about nine levels, or at least nine cosmic forces that are going to be fully manifested.

And so in this sense, I feel the archeological evidence in retrospect, has very much verified exactly what I was saying 20 years ago.

Now, the end date, I disagree with a lot of people. Not everyone, but certainly a lot of people that would place this at December 21, 2012. I place the end date, or the manifestation of these nine cosmic forces, I place it at October 28, 2011.

And it would be a very technical thing to talk about why that would be. But, as you were saying in your introduction, I appreciate you giving me credit for that, the fact that I have laid out a series of shifts leading up to this date, means that I'm, you know, I'm able to make prediction and which, you know, I put my research on the line, so to speak.

And in many cases, certainly I think I've been... history has verified what I have predicted. There are also predictions that are made that have not been fully verified, but certainly I was amazingly accurate in this prediction as to when the economic downfall would begin. A prediction that I did already in my first book ten years ago.

And so, in contrast to the people that are saying December 21, 2012, I am making prediction. And, meaning that, it's not a belief system I'm presenting. I'm presenting a theory, a scientific theory. And what characterizes this scientific theory is that it is either wrong or is right.

If it is a scientific theory does not match the data and the predictions that it makes, then you can say that it's false. But my own feeling is that, everything is going in the direction of verifying the end date that I've been proposing.

Jay:  Yes...

Carl:  I also like to say that, I all switched to myself, when these questions came up in discussions with John Jenkins who has been the main proponent of the December 21 date. It came up 10 years ago, and we're sort of talking about something, way into the future that seemed hypothetical or of less importance. But as we're now there, so to speak, or very shortly there, it makes all the difference; it's a tremendously important thing. Exactly when is the end date. It's not a hair?splitting question. It's something that influences, very directly, how we relate to the process that we're in, and what we may do to have it succeed, and so forth.

So I certainly want to emphasize that this is not a hair?splitting question, it really is very important in terms of how we will relate to the transformation of our current world into the new.

 

The Nine Gates Part Two

With

Carl Johan Calleman

 

Jay:   Are you familiar with the work of Cliff High?

Carl:  No, I'm not, I'm not.

Jay:  Well, he's a guy who is a computer programmer out of Seattle, and what he did was, he attributes... he has webbots that go all over the Internet and collect all the words that are being spoken, in all the languages and then he adds values ? numerical values to the emotional content of the words. Then he waits a little while, and does it again. And through this, he's been able to tap into the collective unconscious.

Carl:  Yes.

Jay:  And he's been predicting things that have actually come true, like the economic crisis. And he has projections going forward into ? around the timeframe that you're talking about.

Carl:  ?huh.

Jay:  In which, he says there's going to be ? he can hardly describe it. Like worldwide revolution and actually people are going to go back to a rural type of life, he says. He says I know it sounds crazy because it's so close. Yet, if you look out at the tapestry of the world, you can feel that there is something truly weird going on. And what it is, we're not sure. We're bringing up Cliff High, is because, he came out with an alert this week.

He apparently had run the program, and he was getting a lot of emotional language built around the last week of October, and the first week of November.

And then I went to your site, and I saw that you were predicting something around that same time period, are you not?

Carl:  Yes absolutely.

Jay:  And what are you predicting?

Carl:  Well, these nine levels, which are like nine wave movements of cosmic forces... then they are subdivided into 13 sections, or you might say they all encompass 12 quantum shifts between what I refer to as days and nights, which are periods that are parallel to the Genesis description of creation as being seven days and six nights. And so November 8, at this particular... this particular year will start what then will become the 6th night of the eighth of the nine levels of evolution.

Now, this 6th night, what I have predicted ? I made a YouTube thing on this a couple of months ago, is an intensified economic downturn, but also more specifically, I think it's something that will hit the American dollar and its role as the world reserve currency, so to speak.

Jay:  And that's exactly what Cliff High said, by the way.

Carl:  Oh I see, yeah. I'm...

Jay:  He said sometime...

Carl:  Yeah.

Jay:  He said sometime at the week, the last of October, early first week of early November, the dollar was going to completely collapse.

Carl:  Yeah. Well, it's amazing that [laughs]; it's in my YouTube thing I made several months ago.

Jay:  Good.

Carl:  So, yeah. So there may very well be some kind of a concurrence here. And I think that what you're relating here, his approach sounds very, very interesting. I mean it's...what that reflects is, what people have some kind of subconscious sense of what is going on, on a higher level.

Jay:  Yes.

Carl:  And what the Mayan Calendar describes are the shifts on the cosmic scale that are bringing these various changes about that ultimately caused them. And then, I think, in the time we're living, people are increasingly tuned in to these cosmic shifts. And so they are sensing it on some level, and that's probably what he's speaking of.

Jay:  I absolutely believe you're right, actually. That's exactly how I would have described it.

Carl:  Yeah.

Jay:  Very interesting, you have the God of Fire in time, goes from 3?1?1?5 ? the beginning of the Mayan Calendar according, I guess to you, is not 3?1?1?4, it's 3?1?1?5. Is that right?

Carl:  Yes.

Jay:  And the Yuga system, according to the Purana texts, I believe it's 3?1?0?2.

Carl:  Yes, I think so.

Jay:  Is the date that they picked, yeah.

Carl:  Yeah.

Jay:  Now the Hindu Yuga system says that the Kali Yuga ends in twenty?four, forty?two, which does not match what you're seeing. And I wonder if you have, if you've thought about this or anything that you could explain the discrepancy between such a close beginning date, but such a far away end date.

Carl:  Yeah. I think my first response would be that the Mayan system is far more, as Calenderical system, is far more advanced than the Hindu system, or any Asian system, or any other system on the planet. I have heard different, end dates of the Kali Yuga system from India. Not only the particular one you mentioned. But I would say that my feeling is that, the Mayan Calendar, it's completely exact, or at least with the kind of correction that I made of like 420 days.

 

 

Voices Part 4

With

Robert Lawlor

 

I'm Jay Weidner and if you are interested in any of my films or videos you can go to www.sacredmysteries.com and see our catalog of films. We have Artmind with Alex Grey, Healing the Luminous Body with Alberto Villoldo as well as Quantum Astrology with Rick Levine.

We're talking to Robert Lawlor. What's important about understanding the Yuga cycles is that it changes your view of reality.

And, here in the West, we've had it beaten in to our heads that we were apes and we evolved and we turned into humans and every minute we're getting better and better and everything is always getting better and better.

But, you know, in reality, things aren't getting better and better, they're getting worse and worse. And, this is a variant with the whole theory of evolution. So, you go out and you try to find out why and we find the Yuga system which basically says that things wind down.

And then, there's a sudden shift where things are taken back up to the top, in the so?called Golden Age and then things began to wind down again. And, when you get to be old enough like I am, you begin to realize that makes a lot more sense than the theory of evolution.

Not that there are things in the theory of evolution that are right, that are scientifically provable. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying is that overriding concept that we're getting better and somehow we're evolving in getting smarter and faster by the moment is just not true.

And so, I think it's just really important that you understand that. When Robert says that the Yuga system, you know, from India is saying that we're now in the twilight or near the end of the Kali Yuga, I think the evidence is all around us, from the decimation of species to the fishing out of the oceans, the loss of topsoil, the deforestation of the entire northern hemisphere and a lot of other things.

Robert, I want to get back to the paradox here. But, the other day, we were talking and you told me something very interesting. I think America should hear it. In Australia, the news broadcast of the protests against Obama were being shown and you told me that basically, they were saying a whole bunch of racists were marching. Is that right?

Robert:  No, they had on the Australian news an interview with Jimmy Carter who said that the difficulties that Obama is having with his policies, particularly concerning the health program are really, they are just people who are anti?racists.

Jay:  Right and...

Robert:  He perverted it into a racist quality. He said, I'm from South, he said, I know how these people are and he said, He said that these people are just reluctant to accept the policies of Obama and their reluctance was really racist driven.

I think that it's really a dangerous time to be promoting racism to that extent. Not being in America, I just doubt the validity of that. I think that the paradoxical understanding, that it is the disorientation and variety among all the species and the creations of the world that are pleasing to the unity.

But, I wanted to go next to what is, I think, is a very important aspect of our thinking and also a mistake as our comprehension which is due to the twilight circumstances and lack of illumination in our thought. That is the fact that once we understand that the universe is only a reflection and representation of the actual reality behind creative spirit we can see the paradox.

And after this we moved to making the mistake that this reflection is reality and that reality is an all encompassing complete and total full consciousness.

It is like when we approach a mirror we go through the same thing we almost forget that the presence of our actuality and, we take on and project the reality into our reflection.

And as we scrub and shave and pinch and pluck and so on, we really think that this whole activity is occurring with the reflection and the reflection has a powerful way of pulling our sense of the real into what it is not. It's a reflection of the real.

The thing you are seeing does not exist. Only turn aside and you will view what you want. What you see is but a shadow cast by your reflection. In itself, it is nothing. It comes with you. It last while you are there. It will go when you go.

This is the sort of hypnotic, magnetism of the mirror image over the reality and we are an aspect of this imaging, per se. The whole of the natural world and the nature of the universe is simply only the reflection of something that's really is an fundamental nature, absolute consciousness of we've become magnetized, hypnotized by this illusion of the material in physical world, being the basis of reality and this being the basic mistake of what we called physical science and material philosophy out of what you were just talking about, Darwin. Darwinism is the result of that.

Jay:  Yes, that's right and even if Darwinism were true, it probably shouldn't be discussed in the open because it tends to denigrate the human condition within the spirit of the human being who's hearing the information. And generally, it's the root of political Fascism and communism and the Nazism and all of this "isms" came out of Darwinism which gained racism a scientific reason to be and you know, I can't overemphasize, you know, the damage that that theory has done to the world.

Robert:  ... you know, he said that... I don't have the exact phrase in front of me but he said after his travels and encountering the indigenous people and how they distinguished themselves through self?decoration. He said, I'd rather be a descendant of an ape or a chimpanzee than be the descendants of these people. I mean this whole thing was white, Anglo?Saxon racist thought and it is elitist.

 

Voices Part 3

With

Robert Lawlor

 I'm Jay Weidner. We're talking to Robert Lawlor about the paradox. What we're talking about is the more that they try to unify the world, the more we're going to become fractious, the more things are going to fall apart. The more that we unify, the more that we almost ensure our own disintegration. In fact, maybe it's a symptom of disintegration to think that the sudden yearning for unity is going to solve our problems.

Robert:  Exactly. That's how I thought this out eventually. Now getting back to the absolute unity and its message of reproducing itself. It chose two basic methods.

One is reflection and the other is representation. So, reflection is an image but it's of the actuality, the real presence but it is an inversion of it. A reflection contains only an inversion.

And, the second one is representation. Now a reflection is an image of the actuality or the real present but it is a reversion of it. The second one was representation in that it prevents itself in a form or media that is other than itself.

So, the entirety of that natural and material construct is a reflection. It's only a reflection and a representation and that reflection is an inversion of the actual presence of all contained absolute unity.

So, that means that every reality, whether... or every identity or distinguishment or individual contains an integration of the opposite of everything that it appears to be. So, a thing becomes a unit only in the integration of duality, of opposite.

So, this is the basic, for me, of what you call Gnosticism and that belief system under that name.

Jay:  As we go through the Yuga system, through the Hindu Yuga system and we get to the close of the Kali Yuga which is where we are now, we're in a state of high disintegration.

And, in that state of high disintegration, we're trying to find some kind of unity that we think will hold it together but in fact, that is...

Robert:  We're trying to create an opposition to it, to the actuality and that opposition we're taking apart... instead of it being the disintegrating we're taking apart the differentiation, the variety... the variation, the specificity. And trying to meld those all into one, one government and one?world order and so...

Jay:  And, one way of thinking.

Robert:  There's confusion between distinguishment and disintegration and it's that misunderstanding is basic to our politics of today.

Jay:  And, really... And really, also, it's a tragedy in front of our eyes because we're losing all of the things that really made us special in the hopes of some vain idea that it's going to unify all of us. In fact, we're just going to end up with one homogenous thing that isn't going to be very interesting at all actually.

Robert:  That's right. We strive towards unification which we think to be our salvation, it's really part of the movement toward a finality that is dictated by time.

Jay:  That says it all right there. I couldn't agree more and we are moving into a place that I call the ‘concentration of time’ where time is actually beginning to fold over on itself and minutes are becoming shorter than they were and hours are becoming shorter than they were and we're moving to a place where we could get cascading crisis’ going, where they could go out of control like a freight train going down on mountainside.