Jay Weidner: I'm Jay Weidner, and you're listening to one of the more intelligent shows on the air. I want to remind you all my new movie "Infinity" is out. If you want to get more information on that you can go to our website at http://www.Jayweidner.com or http://www.sacredmysteries.com.
And let's see here we a good guest tonight, someone we've been wanting to talk to for a long time. So I'm going to cut short all my talk and go straight to him; we have Timothy Green Beckley. UFO and paranormal pioneer. . I think I've read about 15 of his books.
Timothy Green Beckley: Oh my goodness.
Jay: Made a major influence on my life, and I didn't even realize they were his books, a lot of them. So I guess I have you to blame for me I guess Timothy.
Timothy: Well my goodness, I guess that's a good sign. I hope so anyway.
Jay: Yeah, yeah, you've been around the block. There is no doubt about it.
Timothy: Well I've been around the universe.
Jay: Yeah, really and truly this guy, folks, he actually was on Long John Neville's show right.
Timothy: Yeah, I was.
Jay: God what am I hearing.
Timothy: John was the all night pioneer of paranormal radio.
Jay: The Art Bell of his day.
Timothy: He was, yes. I'm sure John... well they don't even deny it, George Noory has mentioned Long John on the air. Everybody who's who in the UFO, and physic, metaphysical field would have to give some sort of tribute to Long John. Although he was not... you have to separate from the hosts of today because John was not necessarily a believer. He was more of a storyteller and a trendsetter. He liked to get up there and stay all night and listen to these individuals who claimed they had been to other planets.
He had on the contactees. These are the people who actually stated the UFO and new age movement, if you want to call it that. They would get on his show and they would talk about their trips to other places and the solar system and beyond.
People like George Adamsky and George Van Tassel. There was a fellow from Arkansas who always wore overalls, that was Buck Nelson, who claimed that him and his dog Poe had been to the Mars moon and Venus.
They were others like Dan martin, and Truman Detrum who met Aura reins the lady from the planet Clairum that existed from beyond the Sun. The list just went on and on.
One of my favorites a gentleman who I know fairly well, he just passed away a couple of months ago in his 80's, Howard Menger. Howard Menger was the best known of the east coast contactees. Most of these contacts were taking place in and around California. While Howard lived in the town of High Bridge, New Jersey.
Howard was a sign painter. Fairly well established in the neighborhood there; a very rural area. Howard had grown up in Brooklyn New York, but I guess the parents decided they wanted to leave the big city and live a more quiet life out in the rural area. So they moved out to High Bridge when Howard was ten years old.
Now he and his brother use to play out in the pasture behind the farmhouse there. On a number of occasions they would be out playing in the back and these silvery disk shaped object would come over and when Howard was ten years old he claims that one of these crafts actually landed in the field near by and he established contact with the beings on board this craft.
Now they visited him over a period of, oh I guess many, many years, it would be 30 years or more. There were people who would come to Howard's house because they heard that these ships were landing there.
And I have even talked to a number of them on the telephone who claimed that while they were at Howard's house they decided to go out back after it got dark, and they were some apple orchards back there if I remember correctly.
And they would see these lights tinkling off in the distance, right just above the ground. And on a number of occasions Howard would tell them to stay back and he would approach these lights.
And they'd see people getting out of the lights or conversing with Howard and they could actually hear the voices of these people off in the distance and measured... actually took some photographs of whoever it was he was speaking with.
And some people felt these contacts were actually going on. And he told some pretty wild and amazing stories. I mean he claimed that he had actually been on board these craft.
He actually taken a trip to the moon where there was an established UFO base, but these stories... I was just attracted to them. I didn't necessarily say I would believe them 100%, but I was in awe. This was the time when the whole world was thinking about traveling in space. It was a novelty, it was something new.
We had our own astronauts. It was something people hadn't heard before. UFO's of course had always been around, but it was a novelty to most people. It certainly intrigued me.
At a very young age I would sit there under the covers with my first transistor radio and listen to Long John when I should be going to sleep, and getting up early in the morning to go to school, but I would rather listen to Howard Menger, and tails of the UFO contactees, trips to other planets.
I guess that had a whopping big impact on my life for better or worse.
Jay: Yeah, well I mean I think he had a big impact on a lot of people who listened to him. I've seen one UFO. I was near Vandenberg Air Force base and this was about seven years ago. I was looking up, it was up in the mountains, and beautiful starlit night and I noticed a star went and blinked out on me and then came back on and so I looked really close and I saw. I can't say a saw an object; I saw a round black thing that was blocking out the stars as it passed overhead. And it left a... it had a wake it looked like almost, like a heat wave wake. But I have since thought that it was maybe it was some electro magnetic radiation I was seeing, I'm not sure.
But anyway, I have actually seen a UFO. What do you think they are honestly after all these years of looking?
Timothy: I think I'm more puzzled now then I think I ever was. You know when we see say a UFO. Basically a UFO is an unidentified object. It can be way up in the sky, on the rim of the Earth's atmosphere, it could be something that cases an airplane pilot, and it could be something that's at tree level, or could be something that's on the ground. It could be something outside the house, it could be something sometimes that even invades your property.
UFO's are I think a lot of different things. You know I think for a long time we had a tendency to believe that UFOs were these metallic spaceships from other planets.
And of course, there have been any number of reports where airplane pilots have been buzzed by these things. There have been many incidences where there have been power failures and electrical interruptions because a UFO has gotten too close, just like in the movie, "Close Encounters of the Third Kind."
But I think UFOs are a lot of different things. Some of them could well be from outer space. Some could be from other dimensions, what we call altered terrestrials. Some, possibly, time?travelers. Some are tied in with the religious phenomena and mythology.
So UFOs ? I don't know, each one has to be determined on its own merits. And how in the heck do you do that?
Jay: I don't know. I've been reading the same stuff that you have and looking for years. And oh, I've read Commander X and John Keel, and John Keel's one of my very...
Timothy: Well, John of course has now passed away...
Jay: Yes, he has.
Timothy: ... in June of this year, and he was a good friend of mine. We were more then just UFO people working it together. We had the same interest in movies and so we socialized quite a bit. And of course, he wrote quite a bit about what he felt were beings that were coming over from some other reality or from some other dimension. He did not see UFOs as being solid, physical craft from somewhere else. He's probably best known for the book "The Mothman Prophecies," which later was made into a movie starring Richard Gere. And people were [inaudible 09:46] .
Jay: What did John think of that movie?
Timothy: What did he think of it? Well, John had been involved. Of course, he's been a producer for a lot of TV shows. He'd worked in the film industry and things like that. So he realized that it wasn't exactly 100 percent based on the book. But you know, Hollywood is Hollywood. And sometimes you've got to look the other way in order for an idea or a storyline to get developed. And there a lot of things you might be able to write about in a book that aren't going to project very well in the theater. And people go to the movies, they want to be entertained. That's the bottom line, or for the most part.
So he did not have any great criticisms against it. I think he realized it was what it was, and he was happy that it got to be made. To me, it's kind of like the same thing with the contactees. They might have had some experiences, and at some times they might have just been over sensationalistic.
But they got their point across. And sometimes people come to a belief or they come to an idea through different paths.
Some people might be turned on to UFOs because of a documentary they see on TV. Other people might be turned onto it because they saw "Close Encounters of the Third Kind." People have different paths in life, and I think John realized that.
And it might not have been 100 percent the way that he would've wanted to make the film, but I think he was happy with it. He got a kick out of the action and finally ...
Jay: I actually liked it. I thought it was a pretty good film.
Timothy: Yeah, I did too.