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We're talking to Timothy Beckley, writer of some 30 books. You can go to his website conspiracyjournal.com?very interesting site. Timothy, I wrote a book about this mysterious cross in the South of France, and I spent from 1986 to 1999 working on this project, and finally published in 1999 the first of two books.
One of the things that happened to me during this research was a really strange amount of synchronicities, sometimes of an unbelievable nature, like a book that I really needed appearing just sitting on an airport seat while I was at the airport. A book that actually changed the research completely.
So I'm wondering, have you had any of this kind of thing happen to you?
Timothy: I have had so many. First of all, I want to say your book "The Mysteries of the Great Cross of Hendaye" is just a fabulous read.
Jay: Well, thank you.
Timothy: I'm selling copies I bought from your publisher. I think I still have a few left here, and of course your DVD on the same subject is just absolutely marvelous. It affected me. I've always been interested in alchemy, but too stupid to study it! [laughs] It's an absolutely fascinating read, and it's marvelous how you managed to fit all those pieces together. Someone needs to do a Hollywood movie on that.
Jay: They should!
Timothy: An actual fabulous book. Yes, synchronicities have had...I've had a lot of them, and I don't know why. People say, "Well, it shows that you're in tune with the universe." Well, some days I feel like I'm in tune with the universe... on other days, I don't feel like I have anything in common with it at all. I could tell you a couple little instances right here that really are just beyond... even synchronicity or coincidences have to have their limits.
Maybe 20 years or so ago... 25, maybe even 30. Whatever it was, I was invited to speak to a conference of people in San Francisco. It was the National UFO Congress, I think it was. They had a nice group, I think 300?400 people showed up.
I gave my talk, and the promoter?his name was Dale Rettig, I remember?he had been another teenage researcher. We all started out with a UFO groups that were organized by teenagers back in the 60's. Now we're a bunch of old men, but in those days we were in our late teens or early twenties, and I was no exception.
Anyway, I had given this talk and it was on a Saturday night, and I was leaving the next day on Sunday, but we had some time to kill because the flight back east was maybe 3:00 or 4:00 in the afternoon.
So we decided, let's go out for brunch. Now, I had never been to San Francisco before that, I hadn't seen the cable cars, and the whole thing, and I guess it was something we wanted to do; we had some time to kill.
So we decided to go have a brunch, and we picked the place at random. I certainly had not been there before, and neither had the promoter, his wife, or the three or four people that were with us.
So we went into this nice restaurant/bar, and had the usual brunch, and a Bloody Mary to start out with, and so on, and to keep the conversation going, I'm telling the promoters, "I wish I had a little more foresight and I had thought to call some of the people that I know who had moved out here from New York," because I just hadn't communicated with them in a while.
Now, I had one of the first metaphysical cult groups in New York. We had the New York School of Cult Arts and Sciences down on 14th Street, and we had meetings and psychic readers, and sold metaphysical books, and in those days ? this would have been the late 1960's ?
I don't think there was anybody else really doing that. It was just starting?the whole New Age thing was just starting...
Anyway, one of the fellows who had lectured for me and had given a couple of classes was a psychic by the name of Alan Vaughan. Now, Alan Vaughan was a very colorful person. Not only was he a psychic, but he had a great sense of humor, and we always liked each other.
We got along well and I thought he always did a very good job of getting his message and his information across to people. He was one of the boys, so to speak, very down to earth. He never let this go to his head or anything like that.
Anyway, he had moved from New York to San Francisco to become editor of a magazine called Psychic. It was a very glossy magazine and very prestigious magazine devoted to parapsychology and the paranormal that was published from the mid?sixties; I think maybe to the early nineteen seventies.
For a magazine, it had a long run, because magazines, as a rule, don't last very long, except for faith [?] , which there's nothing else like that. Most magazines on the paranormal and when the publisher realized they're not going to make any money and when they lose interest, then decide they're going to go on to something else.
Anyway, so Alan Vaughn was one of these fellows that I should have called, but of course I didn't. Anyway, he was sitting there drinking a Bloody Mary and having lunch... brunch and in walks this fellow with a dog on a leash and I look at him at I'm like, "Gee, that looks a lot like Alan Vaughn."
Now here's a city, how many people live in San Francisco? A couple million?
Jay: One point eight million.
Timothy: Close, OK, close enough. Right?
Jay: Yeah.
Timothy: Anyway, I said to myself: Well, this can't be Alan Vaughn. Why would he come in five minutes after I just talked about him?" That's impossible, right? OK, so I called the fellow over, he looks at me and I look at him, I said, "Aren't you Alan Vaughn?" and he says, "Yes, I'm Alan Vaughn." I said, "Well, what are you doing here?" I tell him I'd given a lecture down in blah, blah, blah. He said, "Well I don't know, I was just out walking my dog and I just thought I wanted to come in and have a beer."
OK, so he sat down of course, I introduced him to my friends. And I said, "Well this is quite a coincidence, isn't it Alan?" And he said, "Yeah, but you know I've been working on a book on synchronicity."
And he said, "I guess I'm going to use this in the book, I think it's case number 17, in his little paper back book, which is out of print, but you can find it once and a while on synchronicity and coincidence. Now what are the chances, one point eight million, I think you can even double that, I mean, it's...
Jay: Oh, God.
Timothy: It's totally unlikely. Right, I mean it's...
Jay: Completely.
Timothy: It doesn't happen. All right here's another one. This one is a little bit funnier. I was on the "Long John Show" one night. And I was talking about UFOs and ghost stories in the New York area. Right, for some reason that came up: why do people always see UFOs that live in the country or are farmers on tractors at six am? I said, "Well that's not true, there are UFO sightings everywhere. It's a phenomenon that encompasses the whole globe from small cities to the biggest towns and New York is no exception."
In fact you probably know that [inaudible 27:05] wrote a book about this lady Linda, who actually was levitated out of her window over the Brooklyn Bridge and went inside their ship and were witnesses and all to this. Anyways...
Jay: Oh, was that story, hang on. We have to take a break. But was that story actually true? That was true?
Timothy: Well, I didn't go up with her. [laughs]
Jay: But do you think that story was true?
Timothy: I don't know, I mean I know the lady. She's a very nice woman. In fact, we had her out to one of our conferences in Phoenix that we were organizing. And had her sit up for a workshop that only a couple of people signed up. And she still did the workshop. We went into the bar, had a beer with the people and she gave her talk. She's a very believable lady. I don't know if...