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We're talking to Timothy Beckley. Hey, Timothy, remember that movie, you remember another movie with Nancy Reagan, where God spoke to the people of the Earth through the radio? The Next Voice You Hear.
Timothy: Yeah, I did. Is that an old Twilight Zone? I mean, I think it's...
Jay: No, there's a movie; I only saw it once. It came out in the '50s which starred Nancy Davis, and it was one of the creepiest films I've ever seen. It was a very Christian film, and it was about how God spoke through the radio and told earth that they'd better straighten up or he was going to destroy us.
Timothy: I don't remember that one, no.
Jay: It was strange.
Timothy: Hey, Jay, let me finish my synchronicity story here, OK?
Jay: Please.
Timothy: So, I'm on the Long John Show and I'm talking about these UFO experiences that people have had in New York and so forth. So, the next day I get a phone call at my office. There's a gal who does a column for a New York magazine. It's called Best Bets. It's on the last page, and basically it's a list of what's happening in New York, a list. I don't know how to explain it, a list, like top 10 things to do, anyway. She heard this, and she wanted a list of the top best 10 UFO sightings in New York.
So, I gave her the phone numbers of a few people to call or names that I remember about people that have had experiences. And then, at the end of the conversation, I guess, maybe, we talked for about half an hour or so, I say, "Terry ? her name is Terry Clifford.
I said, "Terry, let me send you some more material, a little bit about my bio" and so forth. I said, "Well, where should I send it?" And she said, "Well, send it to apartment blah?blah?blah, 6R, 11 East 96th Street in Manhattan?"
I said, "What address?" "11 East 96th Street." It's not the right address, but 11 East 96th Street, New York, New York. I said, "Well, are you in the same building I am?" It turned out she lived two floors above me, but that's not quite the end of the story.
Now, Terry and I ? I can't say we became the best of friends, but it's a very small building. We're talking about six apartments or eight apartments in the building. So, we'd see each other in the hallway or in the elevator. We' always had a laugh for years, "Hey, hey, there you are in the same building, synchronicity coincidence, blah, blah, blah."
She was into metaphysical subjects. In fact, she wrote the first book on the Dali Lama. She traveled with the Dali Lama throughout India wherever during one of the summers in the mid or late 1960s, right? In fact, her book was published by Samuel Weiser, Samuel Weiser being probably the first granddaddy of all the New Age publishers.
And so, like I said, we met every once in a while in the elevator, a little rickety elevator ride down. I'd meet her. I'd get on the fourth floor. She'd be on the sixth. We'd go down, and she passed away a few years after I had the... She had a brain tumor. Of course, I've told this story quite a few times.
Last year I'm in a rather ? let's put it. Let's tell it like it is, a rather sleazy bar in Greenwich Village, Manhattan. I'm sitting there having a drink with a lady friend of mine at the end of the bar and just kibitzing and getting a little bit more inebriated as the night goes on. But I'm over 21 so that's legal, and there's a fellow...
Now, like I said, this is Greenwich Village so it's usually a very casual place. People wear jeans. It's a college crowd because it's near NYU, New York University.
Well, there's a fellow standing next to us, a little bit older than the rest of the crowd, and doesn't quite seem to fit in. But there he is and he seems to be having a good time. He offered to buy me and my friend a drink.
So, I said, "It looks like you're doing a little bit of celebrating. What are you celebrating?" And he said, "Oh, I just got a..." and he named a very hefty advance from a major publisher. And I said, "Gee that's great! I'm a publisher myself," but my advances are far lower than the $200, 000 he had gotten.
So I asked him what was the subject, and it was a self?help book. In fact, I remember his name was Phil?I thought of Dr. Phil from TV?it wasn't him, but it was the same kind of self?help material. So I got to talking, and telling him this is what I publish too, and somehow we got to talking about this incident with this gal that lived two floors above me.
Well, he just turned ashen white. He said, "That lady, Terry, was the love of my life. I was with her on that trip that she made with the Dalai Lama, and if you turn to the acknowledgements in her book, you'll find that I'm mentioned there."
So I said, "You know, I think maybe if there is such a thing as communication from the other side, maybe she's saying hello to you, because I don't think it's a message for me, but there certainly is some relevance in my bringing up this topic."
And I said "What are you doing? Are you going to write anything more about this?" And he said "No, but I'm on my way to England to deliver a talk." It's something like a meeting or a conference for psychiatrists or psychologists.
And I said, "Do me a favor. They could be a skeptical [?] life. Would you tell that story that I just told you to at least three of them, and see if it has any impact on their careers or on their life."
So I just went away thinking it must have been a message for him. It was like I was transmitting this to tell him that she was still thinking of him, and thanks for mentioning her in his book.
Jay: Yeah, I'll tell you ? My new movie "Infinity" is about life after death, and we interviewed quite a few people, and I'll tell you that... I don't know, there's certainly something there, there's no doubt. There are too many similar stories, if you know what I mean.
Timothy: Yes.
Jay: Synchronicities are strange. We live in a world where conspiracies are frequently called coincidences, and I think it was William Irwin Thompson who once said that he thought conspiracy theorists were beginning Buddhists, because they could see the underlying connection between everything. And I really wonder if possibly there is some connection between all of this and some kind of matrix of reality that binds everything together, but we can't really see the connections, they're like invisible.
Timothy: I feel the same way. There's a continuity to a life, I think, but in what sense? Charles Fort, who of course was one of the big collectors of oddities strange obkects, disappearances, the Bermuda Triangle and so forth and so on... He always felt that we were like a giant chess game, and there were people that were manipulating the chess pieces for good or for bad, and I guess that's what I figured too, but I don't know.
This is like John Keels' thinking on the subject as well. Do they have the same thinking patterns as we do?
We think of aliens as coming here from other planets, and we assume that they must think exactly. Why don't they make open contact? Why don't they land on the White House lawn? Well, maybe, they're not even thinking of that.
Jay: No, I don't think they are.
Timothy: You know, I mean, there's an entirely different life pattern or thought processes that goes throughout the universe, and just because the human race thinks in one mode doesn't everybody... It's like radio bands, right? I mean, the CB bands. You've got all these different bands, and people are operating on different levels. I think that's the way it is in the universe.
These other beings, often dimensionals, time travelers or whatever they might be, are not necessarily thinking the same things that we are or have the same ideas in mind. They're going about their own agenda, and I'm not sure if I landed here from some other planet I would want anybody to know that I was here either.
Jay: I wouldn't either, actually.
Timothy: No, I don't think that I want people to know that I'm here as it is [laughs] .
Jay: Yeah, exactly. Any thinking person has to be paranoid at this stage. I agree with your point of view and Keels' point of view. I think that's actually the best explanation for what's happening here. There is a game, and we don't even know that we're in the game, at least, most of us don't. What we do is a synchronicity...
Timothy: Maybe, you and I know that we're in the game, but we don't know what the rules are.
Jay: Well, that's true. It's like playing chess with Bobby Fischer and you're blindfolded.
Timothy: Yeah.
Jay: I don't know. It's so impossible to get people who have not seen this to see it.
Timothy: That's right.
Jay: It's impossible. It is unbelievable.
Timothy: Well, you know something though, it's not, actually, everybody has to come along that path on their own, and I'd be the last person to try to shove any of this down anybody's throat. In fact, I've been involved in making movies. I've been in and out of promoting musical bands. I've done a lot of different things.
And people always say, "Oh, you don't want to tell anybody that you're into UFOs or anything. They'll think you're weird." I don't know, some people think I'm weird and other people, they like to hear what the latest scoop is even if they don't necessarily believe it.
Well, you don't force it down people's throat. If they're interested, they're interested. If they're not, let's go have a beer and watch the baseball game.
Jay: I agree with you. When I first got into this business, if that's what you call it, I had a show on Public Radio, a very liberal crowd listening, and they would invite me over to their parties sometimes. This was in Seattle, and I'd get disinvited from their parties because I'd start talking about this kind of stuff and scare the living daylights out of everyone.
Timothy: Now, you'd be on the A list.
Jay: Well, I am. That's what I was just going to say. Now, I'm getting invited to parties, and they're disappointed if I don't tell them.
Timothy: There you go, right? Sometimes, you just don't even want to, like I've said this 15 times before.
Jay: Exactly. Well, we have been talking to Timothy Beckley. I really appreciate it. You can find his site at ConspiracyJournal.com and thanks, Tim. It was really enjoyable.
Timothy: You're welcome, and if there are any horror film fans out there, go to MrCreepo.com, [spells] [laughs] .
Jay: There you go.
Timothy: Have fun. Get educated and learn because that's what life is all about.