Russell: And so am I. I'm trying to drop the hints here about the Gnostic revival that seems to be happening on its own with or without our help.
Jay: It is. That is one of the things about the quality of time. The agnostics believed basically that this was a false world and that reality was contrived by alien forces. We fell, "hook, line and sinker" for their contrived reality. We started believing that the virtual corporate world of the 20th century was actually a real world. But it wasn't. It was completely contrived by strange alien forces that do not have our best interests at hand.
Right now that world is crumbling. Hallelujah. We're moving towards the real world. The real world on the surface could sound a bit harsh. It is a world where a lot of our time will be spent growing food, for instance. The corporate farming ? which has nearly destroyed the planet ? we hope, will completely disappear. The energy that we have been using ... the energy supplies are drying up and we will be on a huge energy diet.
You can look at that and say, "Oh, how horrible. What a terrible thing." I say, "Let's Aikido the moment!" In Aikido you use the weight of your opponent against them. I say, "Let's Aikido the moment!" Let's think about this: is this really a bad thing? My answer is, "No... This is the best thing that has happened in 6000 years." We should be so happy that the old world of contrived reality, oppression and slavery, the destruction of the environment, the wholesale genocide of whole races is going away.
Yes, life is going to get tougher on the outside, but on the inside we are going to find community. We are going to be with our families and our loved ones. We are not going to be moving around the community, splitting up communities and families like we did in the corporate and industrial world. It is going to be a lot better place and the Earth will come back, I know it.
Russell: Wow, I feel like John Stewart in the "All Stop Moment", where you just go "Wow!"
Russell: That is seriously cool stuff. I want to bring up something about your book and talk about the Cross of Hendaye. It has been how many years since you completed the manuscript?
Jay: 10 years, actually. 10 years ago.
Russell: Where do you stand now? Has anything changed in your philosophy since you wrote that book? In your belief structure, are there things you would say and do differently in that book because you have grown?
Jay: Yes for sure. One thing I have done in the last few years is getting into the ancient Vedic and Puranas text in India. I wish I got into that before, more completely, before I wrote the book. I realize now, whoever constructed the Cross of Hendaye, knew the secrets of the Vedic text, knew the secrets of the ancient Puranas text and they knew the secrets of the Mahabharata. They were trying to encode it into the Cross of Hendaye.
At the very end of the Puranas text, Lord Vishnus describe the events that will occur at the end of this age. I should say not the end of this age, but at the end of the Kulpa, which is the grand age, the age of all ages. It is exactly the same description that is on the Cross of Hendaye. I realize now, which I didn't really realize then, that alchemy is the science of the ancients. It's the science of ancient India, of the Ayurvedic philosophies, of China, of Greece, of Egypt, of Persia, of even the indigenous traditions.
When we were in Peru in 2007, in ceremony with the Qero Shamans, they told me that there were people up high in the Andes, up around 18, 000 feet who have transmuted into light, into the rainbow body. This is a tradition that goes all the way back to humanity. Our real purpose in life is to transmute the human body into light. One of the things that we need to do as we reach the end of this age, in a way to construct the next human. I know that sounds crazy, but it is not so crazy.
Evolution may be driven by mutation, genetic derivation and survival of the fittest; there is no doubt that these things are right. The ability to modify your surroundings and all this: this is all true. But also there is another component that evolutionary biologists don't understand: we have a choice to evolve. The best example is the first horses, 80, 000 years ago, were about the size of small dogs. They had short legs. As time has gone on, the horse has grown bigger, taller, and the legs have extended and gotten stronger.
The scientists say, "You know, what the horse did was it evolved magically to have these long legs to escape predators: carnivores, mountain lions and wolves and all that." But the Puranas text tells us that animals have a choice. As the small horses were beginning to go extinct and the pressures of extinction began sitting on their shoulders, they then became consciously aware of why they were becoming extinct. In that moment, they could reconstruct the horse of the future. They realized they had to get away from their predators, so they collectively, consciously decided to grow longer legs.
Here we are, at the end of this age, and we need to reconstruct the human being: to fit better in our environment. Not the human being that destroys the environment, over procreates, over consumes, overweight ... I'm using "over" a lot. Doing these things in a very unhealthy way, we need to construct the human being of the future, which is us. We are the people that we have been waiting for. The Inca, the alchemists, the Qero , the Mayans, the Hindu and the indigenous traditions all teach that the next state is homo?luminous.
I really believe that is where we are headed. We are going to be lighter, more effervescent, diaphanous, creatures closer to the above than to the below and less material, more euphoric. You can see this happening: it is what the Internet and sudden Agnostic revival is about. It is us becoming translucent, us becoming able to cross great distances without leaving your home, able to go to stars and other planets without leaving your home through ceremony, ritual, a sense of the divine, which is really our destiny and place in our world. We were like this once, but we have lost tract.
We have become more concertized, more materialized. That is why we are getting heavier. That is why there are so many obese people, because as we move to the end of this age, we are getting heavier.
It is like Frodo and the ring, as he approaches Mount Doom, the ring gets heavier and heavier: that is what happening to us. As we pass the gate of time, we will become light, we will become lighter, just as Frodo became lighter after the volcano consumed the right. Here we are, at this incredible crux, where we are all Frodos. Selfishly shaking the machines and rings that have enslaved us for so long.
Russell: When I think of Hollywood emulations of what you describe, there is Wall?E, where you have the flubbery people in outer space going back and forth on the ship and they are 400 pounds.
Jay: I love that movie. Best movie of the year.
Russell: Then you have the knowing, the humans of the future come back to collect on the indigo generation or the translucent.
Jay: That movie is going to be released on July 7th and I can't wait. I will be first in line to buy my Blueray edition of "Knowing" because I think "Knowing" is the best movie of this year. I can't say enough good things about the movie. Alex Proyas, who directed it, also directed my other favorite films, which I consider the greatest Agnostic movie of all time: Dark City. He really has his finger on the pulse of what is going on here.
My own life story, parallels Nicholas Cages' story so much; I'm wondering if Alex didn't hear me on "Coast to Coast" because I'm not an astrophysicist as Nicholas is in the movie, but I was an atheist. I didn't believe in anything except science, for most of my life.
When I discovered the Cross of Hendaye .... Just as Nicholas Cage discovered the code on the paper that the psychic girl had left behind, the Cross of Hendaye was my psychic code. I saw the pattern. I realized that this pattern was impossible, unless this world was far different than what I thought it was. I shed the scientific paradigm, just as Nicholas Cage does in that movie.
I moved closer to the divine, just as he does. This is where we are all headed. The knowledge of the end of time, the knowledge of the end of this age, is creating a deal of stress and pressure on our race. In that stressful pressure filled moment, we're going to see the answers. Necessity is the mother of invention. As long as when you need it, will it appear?
Russell: Yes.