Russell: Interesting. So, your view is this freight train that's coming. What you're trying to offer at Sacred Mysteries is a philosophical and practical approach to both internal spiritual preparation, as well as a physical practical preparation.
Jay: That's right. You have to ask yourself. Do you really want to live in a world where the guy with the most guns wins? And I think most of us will say, "No. We don't want to live in that world". Well, if we don't do the things that we're trying to do at Sacred Mysteries, we could very likely end up that way. There's a lot of crazy people stacking a lot of guns in their garages and their basements right now, and that's not going to save us. So, my answer is to create communities that are examples, prime examples, so that other communities and other people can see how it works in a good way ? then they will follow suit and that, to me, is the only way we're going to get out of this crisis.
Russell: Absolutely. Fascinating. We're about the bottom of the hour. I think we've covered most of the main things. Sacred Mysteries offer specials on amazing videos that you've been producing all these years since you and I have left the company we were working for, where a lot of those ideas were percolating.
Jay: Yes.
Russell: One thing I want to bring to everyone's attention that's listening to this that excites me the most is your new release coming up. The new video on near death and dying. What's the name of it?
Jay: Infinity ? The Ultimate Trip.
Russell: Exactly.
Jay: What it is I wanted it... it's really a gift that I wanted to give because I don't want people to be afraid and all fear comes from basically is the fear of death. This is what male initiation alleviates, is the fear of death. Which of course, we can't do and we do not do in this society. So, what I tried to do is construct the film as toward an initiation, so that you could see what it's like to die, talk to people who have already died and come back, and realize there's nothing to be afraid of.
When you know there's nothing to be afraid of, no one can control you. Once we get past the fear of death, governments will collapse, corporate worlds will collapse, the whole edifice of the nightmare of the Iron Age will disappear. So, that was the real goal of making the film.
Russell: I find that interesting because the conversation you and I had the other day about the major motion picture of 2012 coming up and these other things is created by the same people that created 'Invasion' and all those other big films. 'Independence Day'.
Jay: Independence Day.
Russell: Yeah, the focus still seems to be on the mass destruction in a phantasmagoric destruction of the planet and it's funny because when we were talking, you were talking about the positioning. Nobody's really positioning the spiritual requirements and need of how people need to face death. And that's what excites me the most about this new release coming out.
Jay: Yeah, me too. Me too. That's exactly right, and we're going to release the film here soon and then we're going to release the interviews in their entirety on a free disc set. So, you can really get into the heads of people of like Robert Thurman, Neale Donald Walsch, and Stan Grof . There will be no doubt.
We showed the movie to Sharon's 83 year old mother the other day. She was the oldest person to see the movie, of course she's facing her own death at that age soon. She just loved the film. I consider that an amazing victory to get a person from my parent's generation to consider what that generation probably considered to be some pretty wacky ideas and to not think that they were wacky. To think that they were hopeful. She said the movie gave her a lot of hope, and that was the entire purpose.
Russell: Yes, that is. For our listeners, the best way to purchase the DVD's is obviously at sacredmysteries.com and I'm going to be recommending some of the other videos over other interviews. I'm going to have periodic interviews with Jay. Jay's going to be also covering interviews with his associates in other topics and subject matters that are relevant to what we're doing. I'm specifically interested in you guys listening to this.
We're really scratching the surface. Thanks Jay.
Jay: Thanks a lot Russell.